Baker Jack Phillip Refused To Make Cake For Gay Couple: I’ve Had Death Threats | Megyn Kelly TODAY


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ALL THAT ON “MEGYN KELLY TODAY” ALL THAT ON “MEGYN KELLY TODAY” RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW.>>HI.>>HI. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HELLO. HELLO. [ APPLAUSE ]
HEY, EVERYBODY. HEY, EVERYBODY.
HAPPY FRIDAY. HAPPY FRIDAY. WE HAVE A GREAT SHOW.
IM MEGYN KELLY. SHOW. IM MEGYN KELLY.
WE HAVE A GREAT SHOW TODAY. WE HAVE A GREAT SHOW TODAY.
INCLUDING TIPS HOW TO AVOID THE INCLUDING TIPS HOW TO AVOID THE
TRAVEL NIGHTMARE. TRAVEL NIGHTMARE.
AND COOKING SO EASY, EVEN I CAN AND COOKING SO EASY, EVEN I CAN DO IT. DO IT. CHRISTMAS HAM FOR NONCOOKS LIKE
ME.ISTMAS HAM FOR NONCOOKS LIKE ME. AND SPEAKING OF FOOD, WE BEGIN
THIS MORNING WITH CAKE.E BEGIN THIS MORNING WITH CAKE.
THAT CAKE MADE IT ALL THE WAY UP THAT CAKE MADE IT ALL THE WAY UP
TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. THE QUESTION, WHETHER A BAKER
HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TO BAKE HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TO BAKE
A CAKE BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS A CAKE BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. BELIEFS. WERE GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT
BAKER.OING TO SPEAK TO THAT BAKER. FIRST, THE DETAILS OF HIS STORY. FIRST, THE DETAILS OF HIS STORY. WHAT STARTED AS A SIMPLE REQUEST WHAT STARTED AS A SIMPLE REQUEST FOR A CAKE IN COLORADO, HAS
TURNED INTO A BITTER CLASHS TURNED INTO A BITTER CLASH
BETWEEN RELIGIOUS RIGHTS. BETWEEN RELIGIOUS RIGHTS.
>>I CANT BE FORCED TO>>I CANT BE FORCED TO
CELEBRATE FOR SOMETHING THAT CELEBRATE FOR SOMETHING THAT
GOES AGAINST BIBLICAL TEACHING. GOES AGAINST BIBLICAL TEACHING.
>>Reporter: AND CIVIL RIGHTS.>>Reporter: AND CIVIL RIGHTS.
>>WE CANNOT BE A NATION THAT>>WE CANNOT BE A NATION THAT
ALLOWS THE THIN VENEER TO BATTLE ALLOWS THE THIN VENEER TO BATTLE
AGAINST IN THIS COUNTRY. AGAINST IN THIS COUNTRY.>>Reporter: AND HAS BECOME ONE
OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CASES ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CASES
BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT THIS BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT THIS
TERM. TERM. AT THE CENTER OF THE CASE, DAVID
MULLINS AND CHARLIE CRAIG. DAVID MULLINS AND CHARLIE CRAIG.
THEY WANTED A CAKE TO CELEBRATE THEY WANTED A CAKE TO CELEBRATE
THEIR WEDDING. THEIR WEDDING. THEY WENT HERE TO MASTERPIECE THEY WENT HERE TO MASTERPIECE CAKE SHOP. CAKE SHOP. BUT OWNER, JACK PHILLIPS, BUT OWNER, JACK PHILLIPS, REFUSED TO BAKE THEM A WEDDING
CAKE.ED TO BAKE THEM A WEDDING CAKE.
>>HE ASKED WHO THE CAKE WAS>>HE ASKED WHO THE CAKE WAS
FOR. FOR. ONCE WE INFORMED HIM IT WAS US,
HE COULD NOT MAKE A CAKE FOR A, HE COULD NOT MAKE A CAKE FOR A
SAME-SEX WEDDING. SAME-SEX WEDDING.
>>Reporter: PHILLIPS SAID HE>>Reporter: PHILLIPS SAID HE
WOULD BAKE OTHER GOODS. WOULD BAKE OTHER GOODS.
BUT ALL THEY GOT WAS A NO. BUT ALL THEY GOT WAS A NO.
PHILLIP SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGES PHILLIP SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGES
GOES AGAINST HIS BELIEFS. GOES AGAINST HIS BELIEFS.
HE CALLS HIS CAKES WORKS OF ART. HE CALLS HIS CAKES WORKS OF ART.
AND HE SAYS HE SHOULDNT BE AND HE SAYS HE SHOULDNT BE
USING HIS ARTISTRY FOR SOMETHING USING HIS ARTISTRY FOR SOMETHING
AGAINST HIS RELIGION. AGAINST HIS RELIGION.
>>IF WE DIDNT STAND UP FOR>>IF WE DIDNT STAND UP FOR
OURSELVES, THIS MIGHT OPEN THE OURSELVES, THIS MIGHT OPEN THE
DOOR FOR DISCRIMINATION AGAINST DOOR FOR DISCRIMINATION AGAINST
ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE. ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE.
>>Reporter: THEY FILED A>>Reporter: THEY FILED A
COMPLAINT WITH THE COLORADO COMPLAINT WITH THE COLORADO
CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION. CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION.
AND WON. AND WON.
THE CASE THEN WENT UP TO THE THE CASE THEN WENT UP TO THE
COURT OF APPEALS. COURT OF APPEALS.
THEY WON AGAIN. THEY WON AGAIN.
THE BAKER APPEALED TO THE U.S. THE BAKER APPEALED TO THE U.S.
SUPREME COURT. SUPREME COURT. JUSTICES HEARD FROM BOTH SIDES JUSTICES HEARD FROM BOTH SIDES THIS TUESDAY. THIS TUESDAY. HUNDREDS GATHERED OUTSIDE THE HUNDREDS GATHERED OUTSIDE THE COURT TO PROTEST BOTH SIDES. COURT TO PROTEST BOTH SIDES. IN 2015, THE SUPREME COURT MADE
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LEGAL IN ALLE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LEGAL IN ALL
50 STATES. 50 STATES.
>>I PRONOUNCE YOU MARRIAGE.>>I PRONOUNCE YOU MARRIAGE.
>>THE ACLU SAYS A CAKE IS NOT>>THE ACLU SAYS A CAKE IS NOT
SPEECH. SPEECH.
PHILLIP ARGUES HES AN ARTIST. PHILLIP ARGUES HES AN ARTIST.
AND ITS HIS CONSTITUTIONAL AND ITS HIS CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT TO MAKE OR NOT MAKE RIGHT TO MAKE OR NOT MAKE
WHATEVER TYPE OF ART HE CHOOSES. WHATEVER TYPE OF ART HE CHOOSES.
JUSTICE ANTHONY KENNEDY IS JUSTICE ANTHONY KENNEDY IS
LIKELY TO CAST THE DECIDING LIKELY TO CAST THE DECIDING
VOTE, EXPECTED SOME TIME IN VOTE, EXPECTED SOME TIME IN
JUNE. JUNE.
JOINING ME NOW, JACK PHILLIPS JOINING ME NOW, JACK PHILLIPS
AND HIS ATTORNEY. AND HIS ATTORNEY.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN, WHAT WAS IT CAN YOU EXPLAIN, WHAT WAS IT
ABOUT BEING ASKED TO BAKE THE ABOUT BEING ASKED TO BAKE THE
CAKE FOR THE WEDDING THAT YOU CAKE FOR THE WEDDING THAT YOU
DIDNT WANT TO DO IT? DIDNT WANT TO DO IT?
>>I SERVE EVERYBODY WHO COMES>>I SERVE EVERYBODY WHO COMES
INTO MY STORE. INTO MY STORE.
INCLUDING DAVID AND CHARLIE. INCLUDING DAVID AND CHARLIE.
PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE ARE PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE ARE
WELCOME IN MY STORE. WELCOME IN MY STORE.
THERES CERTAIN MESSAGES THAT I THERES CERTAIN MESSAGES THAT I
DONT CREATE. DONT CREATE.
I DONT DO CAKES FOR HALLOWEEN. I DONT DO CAKES FOR HALLOWEEN.
I DONT DO CAKES THAT WOULD I DONT DO CAKES THAT WOULD
PROMOTE SEXUAL THINGS OR PROMOTE SEXUAL THINGS OR
ANTI-AMERICAN THINGS. ANTI-AMERICAN THINGS.
THINGS THAT WOULD DISPARAGE THINGS THAT WOULD DISPARAGE
OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING
CUSTOMERS THAT IDENTIFY AS LGBT. CUSTOMERS THAT IDENTIFY AS LGBT.
>>HAS PEOPLE ASKED FOR A CAKE>>HAS PEOPLE ASKED FOR A CAKE
THAT DISPARAGE LGBT? THAT DISPARAGE LGBT?
>>I HAVE.>>I HAVE.
>>THERES A CAKE AGAINST GAY>>THERES A CAKE AGAINST GAY
PEOPLE? PEOPLE?>>ITS SOMETHING I CANT>>ITS SOMETHING I CANT CREATE. CREATE.>>ITS A QUESTION OF WHETHER
JACK HAS THE FREE SPEECH RIGHT JACK HAS THE FREE SPEECH RIGHT
TO BAKE THE CAKES HE BAKES. TO BAKE THE CAKES HE BAKES.
HOW IS BAKING A CAKE FREE HOW IS BAKING A CAKE FREE
SPEECH? SPEECH?>>THE COURT HAS THE TEST FOR
WHAT SPEECH IS.S THE TEST FOR WHAT SPEECH IS.
ANYTHING THATS ANALAGAS TO ANYTHING THATS ANALAGAS TO
OTHER PARDON MEFORMS OF ART. OTHER PARDON MEFORMS OF ART.
>>HOW FAR DO YOU TAKE THAT?>>HOW FAR DO YOU TAKE THAT?
THE XHEF ATCHEF AT THE WEDDING. THE XHEF ATCHEF AT THE WEDDING.
HOW IS HE LESS ARTISTIC THAN HOW IS HE LESS ARTISTIC THAN
JACK? JACK?>>YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE
SOMETHING.E TO COMMUNICATE SOMETHING.
ITS SOMETHING THE COURT USES IF ITS SOMETHING THE COURT USES IF
THEY HAVE A FREE SPEECH CASE. THEY HAVE A FREE SPEECH CASE.
>>HES MAKING A RELIGIOUS>>HES MAKING A RELIGIOUS
ARGUMENT IN ADDITION TO THE FREE ARGUMENT IN ADDITION TO THE FREE
SPEECH ARGUMENT. SPEECH ARGUMENT.
RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THE LAWS ARE A BROADER
ISSUE.E LAWS ARE A BROADER ISSUE.
>>HOW WERE YOU FORCED TO>>HOW WERE YOU FORCED TO
PARTICIPATE JUST BY BAKING THE PARTICIPATE JUST BY BAKING THE
CAKE. CAKE. YOU WERENT GOING TO BE AT THE
WEDDING OR ENDORSING THET THE WEDDING OR ENDORSING THE
WEDDING. WEDDING.>>I TAKE MY TIME, MY TALENT, MY>>I TAKE MY TIME, MY TALENT, MY ENERGY. ENERGY. WE MAKE SKETCHES.
WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING TO MAKE WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING TO MAKE
THE CAKE FOR THEM. THE CAKE FOR THEM.
THEN, IT BECOMES A WORK OF ART. THEN, IT BECOMES A WORK OF ART.
IT BECOMES A CANVAS. IT BECOMES A CANVAS.
>>YOU FEEL THATS TOO>>YOU FEEL THATS TOO
PARTICIPATEORY OF THE PROCESS? PARTICIPATEORY OF THE PROCESS?
>>ITS A CREATION.>>ITS A CREATION.
>>YOU SEE THE TWO YOUNG MEN HOW>>YOU SEE THE TWO YOUNG MEN HOW
IT BROUGHT TEARS THIS SS TO THEI IT BROUGHT TEARS THIS SS TO THEI
AND HOW IT MADE THEM FEEL THEY AND HOW IT MADE THEM FEEL THEY
WERE SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS. WERE SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS.
>>LITS BEEN EMOTIONAL FOR US,>>LITS BEEN EMOTIONAL FOR US,
AS WELL. AS WELL. THERE WERE DAYS WHEN MY WIFE WAS
AFRAID.ERE DAYS WHEN MY WIFE WAS AFRAID.
ACTUALLY AFRAID TO COME TO THE ACTUALLY AFRAID TO COME TO THE
SHOP. SHOP. WE HAD DEATH THREATS.
HARASSING PHONE CALLS. HARASSING PHONE CALLS.
IVE BEEN FORCED BY THE IVE BEEN FORCED BY THE
GOVERNMENT TO GIVE UP 40% OF MY GOVERNMENT TO GIVE UP 40% OF MY
BUSINESS. BUSINESS. HALF OF MY EMPLOYEES. HALF OF MY EMPLOYEES. ITS BEEN EMOTIONAL ON OUR SIDE,
AS WELL. EMOTIONAL ON OUR SIDE, AS WELL.
>>THE SUPREME COURT PASSING>>THE SUPREME COURT PASSING
THAT LANDMARK IN 2014. THAT LANDMARK IN 2014.
THEY MADE ANNOUNCES FOR CLASHES THEY MADE ANNOUNCES FOR CLASHES
OF THIS TYPE. OF THIS TYPE.
THEY REALIZED THAT THAT RULING THEY REALIZED THAT THAT RULING
WOULD LEAD TO SOME CLASHSES. WOULD LEAD TO SOME CLASHSES.
>>I FELT LIKE JUSTICE KENNEDYS>>I FELT LIKE JUSTICE KENNEDYS
REMARKS WERE MARKING. REMARKS WERE MARKING.
>>JUSTICE KENNEDY SEEMS ON THE>>JUSTICE KENNEDY SEEMS ON THE
FENCE ABOUT IT. FENCE ABOUT IT.
HE SEEMS ON THE FENCE BECAUSE HE SEEMS ON THE FENCE BECAUSE
THE COURT DID NOT SEEM TO MEAN THE COURT DID NOT SEEM TO MEAN
TO THROW OUT CHRISTIAN BELIEFS TO THROW OUT CHRISTIAN BELIEFS
AND THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE THEM AND THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE THEM
AT CONCLUSION. AT CONCLUSION.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS
THE SAME AS SAYING TO AN THE SAME AS SAYING TO AN
INTERRACIAL COUPLE, I DONT WANT INTERRACIAL COUPLE, I DONT WANT
TO SERVE YOU. TO SERVE YOU.>>IT IS NOT THE SAME.>>IT IS NOT THE SAME. THROUGHOUT MILLENNIA, BELIEF THROUGHOUT MILLENNIA, BELIEF MARRIAGE IS ACROSS A MAN AND A MARRIAGE IS ACROSS A MAN AND A WOMAN, HAS CUT ACROSS CULTURES, WOMAN, HAS CUT ACROSS CULTURES, RACES. RACES.>>WHAT THE GOVERNMENT MAKES —
THE CATHOLIC AND THE PROTESTANT THE CATHOLIC AND THE PROTESTANT
FACE AND TO SPEAK MESSAGES. FACE AND TO SPEAK MESSAGES.
THIS LAW FORCES A DEMOCRATIC THIS LAW FORCES A DEMOCRATIC
SPEECH WRITER TO WRITE FOR A SPEECH WRITER TO WRITE FOR A
REPUBLICAN. REPUBLICAN. IT FORCES A JEWISH GRAPHIC IT FORCES A JEWISH GRAPHIC DESIGNER TO PROMOTE THINGS THE
JEWISH PERSON DOESNT BELIEVEHE JEWISH PERSON DOESNT BELIEVE
IN. IN. THINK OF ALL OF THE AREAS OF THINK OF ALL OF THE AREAS OF SPEECH. SPEECH. IT WILL IMPACT YOU AS A IT WILL IMPACT YOU AS A JOURNALIST. JOURNALIST. WEVE NEVER FORCED AMERICANS TO
SAY THINGS THAT THEY DONTNS TO SAY THINGS THAT THEY DONT
BELIEVE IN. BELIEVE IN. AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE SPACE
AND HAVE A BALANCE.IDE THE SPACE AND HAVE A BALANCE.
>>THATS IF YOU PUT YOURSELF>>THATS IF YOU PUT YOURSELF
OUT THERE AS THAT TYPE OF OUT THERE AS THAT TYPE OF
SPEAKER. SPEAKER. RIGHT? RIGHT? THATS WHY YOU STOPPED MAKING
THE CAKES.YOU STOPPED MAKING THE CAKES.
IF YOU OFFER THE CAKES — IF YOU IF YOU OFFER THE CAKES — IF YOU
OFFER THE CAKES, YOU HAVE TO OFFER THE CAKES, YOU HAVE TO
OFFER THEM IN A NONDISCRIMINARY OFFER THEM IN A NONDISCRIMINARY
MANNER. MANNER.
IT WOULD SUPPOSE A PROBLEM, IF I IT WOULD SUPPOSE A PROBLEM, IF I
SAID IM NEVER GOING TO SPEAK ON SAID IM NEVER GOING TO SPEAK ON
BEHALF OF A GAY OR LESBIAN BEHALF OF A GAY OR LESBIAN
GROUP? GROUP?
DO YOU MAKE THE CAKES ANYMORE? DO YOU MAKE THE CAKES ANYMORE?
>>WE STOPPED MAKING WEDDING>>WE STOPPED MAKING WEDDING
CAKES. CAKES.>>THIS IS A BIG ONE.

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